First Cycle Planning

[MLX]

Planning a first cycle with 250–400 mg/week Test E, split 2–3×/week. Lean base (84 kg at 9.5% BF), training 2× daily (weights + MMA), nutrition and recovery fully in check. All bloodwork, EKG, and health markers are optimal.

PCT options secured (Enclomiphene + Toremifene), also familiar with HCG use – still undecided whether to include it during cycle or only in PCT. AIs (Arimidin, Exemestane) are on hand but plan is to stay off unless symptoms show.

Considering adding either Primo (400–500 mg) or Mast E mid-cycle for stability and estrogen control, or possibly switching to Test Prop at the end. Open to input on compound choice, timing, and what actually adds value in a controlled first cycle.

Any suggestions to tighten the plan and make the most of it are appreciated

Please feel free to correct me and to help me

 

[MLX]

form 14%-15% BF 88kg 184cm before cut

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

First cycle as I have already explained to you more than once:

Testosterone. That's it. No mast no primo NO 1GR OF PEDS...

Stop trying to make everything complicated and stop trying to make a cycle from someone with experience.

You have to learn how to manage the side effects and estrogen.

And starting with Testosterone E and then switching at thè end with Test P is stupid. What is the logical reason for this?

 

[MLX]

I was thinking of switching to Test P at the end, to better time the PCT. Due to its short half-life, you can start PCT just 3–5 days after the last injection, instead of waiting 2 weeks like with Test E. This helps avoid hormonal “limbo phases” and allows recovery to begin at the optimal time.

correct me if im wrong

 

[Kxneki]

As @SalvatoreCorvus said, just stick to Testosterone for your first cycle.
You should only introduce one new PED at a time to see how your body reacts. If you run, for example, Testosterone and Masteron together and experience side effects, how will you know which one caused them?

Since it’s your first cycle, you’ll blow up anyway with just Testosterone. Adding more PEDs won’t necessarily help you gain more muscle, it’ll just increase the risk of side effects.

As for PCT, wouldn’t cruising be a better option? I don’t know your goals, or whether you’re planning to run another cycle later, but think about it — if you do a PCT and then jump into another cycle shortly after, you’ll just end up messing up your HPTA for nothing.

 

[MLX]

As @SalvatoreCorvus said, just stick to Testosterone for your first cycle.
You should only introduce one new PED at a time to see how your body reacts. If you run, for example, Testosterone and Masteron together and experience side effects, how will you know which one caused them?

Since it’s your first cycle, you’ll blow up anyway with just Testosterone. Adding more PEDs won’t necessarily help you gain more muscle, it’ll just increase the risk of side effects.

As for PCT, wouldn’t cruising be a better option? I don’t know your goals, or whether you’re planning to run another cycle later, but think about it — if you do a PCT and then jump into another cycle shortly after, you’ll just end up messing up your HPTA for nothing.
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thanks

 

[Bigpat]

I just wanna add to what was previously said:

It’s always an option to choose a cruise and blast regiment depending on long term goals and intentions.

If you plan of going back on cycle within the next 6 months, I wanna say there probably isn’t a whole lot of sense into doing PCT.
In my opinion that’s usually something reserved for permanent termination or for when you don’t plan to make more than one cycle a year.

 

[MLX]

I’m a very disciplined person — no matter how bad I feel or how much it annoys me, I usually manage to push through. My main goal was to see how much my testes, adrenals, and pituitary can recover and how long it takes to reach my natural maximum testosterone production again after a 16 Week Cycle and PCT.


If this approach seems misguided, I’m open to feedback.

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

The whole point of steroid use is to use them painlessly, let alone be disciplined enough to push yourself to near death because it makes you look like a warrior.

But with a PCT you can do that. Having to overcome the physical and mental suffering and the loss of the gains made.

So if your goal is just to experiment with recovery, just do a treatment for a pct afterwards. Unless you want to cook your organs after all?

I admit I have trouble understanding your approach.

 

[MLX]

think we might be talking past each other a bit, so let me clarify my plan:

• Cycle: 14 weeks of Testosterone Enanthate at 400mg/week
• Support: HCG at 250 IU 2–3×/week during the cycle (not during PCT) to maintain testicular function
• Post-cycle:
   → I might cruise on 150 mg/week
   → Or I might come completely off and run a full PCT (Enclomiphene + Nolvadex for 4 weeks), followed by 4–6 months off
• Decision: I’ll decide based on bloodwork and how my body responds
• Goal: Minimize long-term suppression while gaining lean tissue and preserving testicular health

I’m open to feedback and adjustments if anything seems off.

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

think we might be talking past each other a bit, so let me clarify my plan:

• Cycle: 14 weeks of Testosterone Enanthate at 400mg/week
• Support: HCG at 250 IU 2–3×/week during the cycle (not during PCT) to maintain testicular function
• Post-cycle:
   → I might cruise on 150 mg/week
   → Or I might come completely off and run a full PCT (Enclomiphene + Nolvadex for 4 weeks), followed by 4–6 months off
• Decision: I’ll decide based on bloodwork and how my body responds
• Goal: Minimize long-term suppression while gaining lean tissue and preserving testicular health

I’m open to feedback and adjustments if anything seems off.
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I approve for a first cycle. You could even extend beyond 14 weeks depending on your blood and your physical condition (please start very lean and don't get too fat).
Or adjust the dose at some point.

Also have an AI (exemestan or aimidex) on hand in case 0% of people end up needing it)

 

[MLX]

Appreciate the help Sitting at ~9.5% BF, still dieting. Got everything from driadashop even PCT stuff just in case. Ready to start the cycle and cruise after. Will update you guys!