how do i prevent tren gyno?

[Davy]

I was looking into trenbolone, more specifically his effects on the progesterone receptors...
Since i'm soon going to start a cycle i was wondering if i'm better taking nolvadex or raloxifene since they're both potent breast etrogen receptor antagonists, which one is better?

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

It is important to understand that trenbolone, just like nandrolone, is a 19nor.

So the main bias for the appearance of gyno is prolactin.

The solution therefore lies in the use of Cabergolin.

Or best of best: DO NOT touch trenbolone

 

[Davy]

It is important to understand that trenbolone, just like nandrolone, is a 19nor.

So the main bias for the appearance of gyno is prolactin.

The solution therefore lies in the use of Cabergolin.

Or best of best: DO NOT touch trenbolone

Trenbolone is not estrogenic;therefore, use does not lead to excess fluid retention.However, due to trenbolone's potent progestogenic activity (it binds with high affinity to the progesterone receptor),gynecomastia, characterized by development and swelling of breast tissue,may occur.
From Wikipedia

 

[userhiker984567]

I was looking into trenbolone, more specifically his effects on the progesterone receptors...
Since i'm soon going to start a cycle i was wondering if i'm better taking nolvadex or raloxifene since they're both potent breast etrogen receptor antagonists, which one is better?

tren causes gyno by binding with a high affinity to the androgen receptor thus making testosterone unable to bind to those receptors which will make the test float around in the blood at much high concetrations and it will aromatise a lot more, tren itself doesnt cause gyno its only when test is added (same with deca, deca is a very dry drug its the high testo to e2 conversion that makes it wet, just leave out the test, test is legit the worst roid ever all it does is give side effects), if you want to do tren which you really shouldnt as it damages your kidneys and will permanetly impair their ability to produce happy hormones like serotonin so tren will make you depressed life long, but if you really wanna do tren you should do one amoule of hexa once every two weeks, this is the only way tren can be used that is somewhat acceptable

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

tren causes gyno by binding with a high affinity to the androgen receptor thus making testosterone unable to bind to those receptors which will make the test float around in the blood at much high concetrations and it will aromatise a lot more, tren itself doesnt cause gyno its only when test is added (same with deca, deca is a very dry drug its the high testo to e2 conversion that makes it wet, just leave out the test, test is legit the worst roid ever all it does is give side effects), if you want to do tren which you really shouldnt as it damages your kidneys and will permanetly impair their ability to produce happy hormones like serotonin so tren will make you depressed life long, but if you really wanna do tren you should do one amoule of hexa once every two weeks, this is the only way tren can be used that is somewhat acceptable

A lot of false information here.

Tren hex does not have to be injected every two weeks

Tren is progestin and most of the time it is the prolactin that increases, and which accentuates the risk of gyno.

Testosterone is not the worst steroid out there. It's the best thing to do. Just learn to manage some blood parameters and that's it.

 

[userhiker984567]

A lot of false information here.

Tren hex does not have to be injected every two weeks

Tren is progestin and most of the time it is the prolactin that increases, and which accentuates the risk of gyno.

Testosterone is not the worst steroid out there. It's the best thing to do. Just learn to manage some blood parameters and that's it.

prolactin itself doesnt cause gyno

 

[xccdf]

For tren cycles, avoid Nolvadex. It upregulates progesterone receptors, potentially worsening prolactin/progestin gyno. Raloxifene is better; it doesn't upregulate PR like tamox, and studies show it's superior for reducing gyno. Consider caber for prolactin control.

Remember to start low and slow to see how your body reacts. Being it's a 19-nor, you can get a safer health profile with solid gains from NPP (Nandrolone).

Avoid Tren Hex (Parabolan) since it's half life is long and you can't bail. I'd avoid Tren Ace in the beginning too because there isn't a build up to help your body adjust (for what thats worth, since it's harsh). Trenbolone Enanthate 100mg a week for 3 weeks and you should feel how your body is going to respond.

A low does like that will allow you to bail in 14 days. But I would personally recommend NNP. It's Anabolic to Androgenic ratio is very good and is less harsh on the body.

Also consider your age and goals. You can get huge without Tren. And for god sakes stay away from MENT.

 

[Davy]

For tren cycles, avoid Nolvadex. It upregulates progesterone receptors, potentially worsening prolactin/progestin gyno. Raloxifene is better; it doesn't upregulate PR like tamox, and studies show it's superior for reducing gyno. Consider caber for prolactin control.

Remember to start low and slow to see how your body reacts. Being it's a 19-nor, you can get a safer health profile with solid gains from NPP (Nandrolone).

Avoid Tren Hex (Parabolan) since it's half life is long and you can't bail. I'd avoid Tren Ace in the beginning too because there isn't a build up to help your body adjust (for what thats worth, since it's harsh). Trenbolone Enanthate 100mg a week for 3 weeks and you should feel how your body is going to respond.

A low does like that will allow you to bail in 14 days. But I would personally recommend NNP. It's Anabolic to Androgenic ratio is very good and is less harsh on the body.

Also consider your age and goals. You can get huge without Tren. And for god sakes stay away from MENT.

thanks for all the recommendations, i'm currently using the tren mix at 150 x week and i'm not lactating or anything, just as i said i've noticed a bit of growth in the mammal glands, but barely noticeable unless you measure them...
I was considering MENT at 50 per week in a cutting cycle with 10 mg injections, why you say i'm better staying away, have you noticed any sides by using it?

 

[xccdf]

thanks for all the recommendations, i'm currently using the tren mix at 150 x week and i'm not lactating or anything, just as i said i've noticed a bit of growth in the mammal glands, but barely noticeable unless you measure them...
I was considering MENT at 50 per week in a cutting cycle with 10 mg injections, why you say i'm better staying away, have you noticed any sides by using it?

So MENT is extremely tempting because it is the highest AAS that is considering usable without just killing yourself. However, it's toxicity on all organs is insane.

Going off the top of my head I believe it is 1900:700 Anabolic to Androgenic ratio, but probably higher on the left side (anabolic).

A dear friend of mine has cycled on and off things monitoring all blood markers, using medications where ancillaries didn't work, and was on top of health trying to stay safe. He committed to a blood work program every 4 weeks. He started at the dose you mentioned 50mg/week split across the week. Before he could get his 2nd bloodwork done after baseline both of his kidneys had entered stage 2 failure that fast.

The Tren Blend (Prop, Cyp, Hex 1:1:1 I believe) is personally my favorite because I worked out how to stay as safe as possible (stacked with Primo E and Test E).

After this run I will probably stick with NPP instead of Tren because of my age (closing in on 40).

You can run NPP longer, it's safer, and over the cycle you can make the same gains if all is dialed in (though it will take longer).

I won't say MENT doesn't work because it does, but it's at such a high toxicity level the trade off for time vs speed to size isn't something I could personally recommend. It was on my radar, I was tip toeing around it, but my friend went full on kidney failure so fast he would have needed weekly bloodwork to catch it soon enough.

Pick a DHT, a 19nor, and Testosterone as a base and run with that would be my recommendations, and give it time vs rushing it.

I wish you all the best brother!

 

[Davy]

So MENT is extremely tempting because it is the highest AAS that is considering usable without just killing yourself. However, it's toxicity on all organs is insane.

Going off the top of my head I believe it is 1900:700 Anabolic to Androgenic ratio, but probably higher on the left side (anabolic).

A dear friend of mine has cycled on and off things monitoring all blood markers, using medications where ancillaries didn't work, and was on top of health trying to stay safe. He committed to a blood work program every 4 weeks. He started at the dose you mentioned 50mg/week split across the week. Before he could get his 2nd bloodwork done after baseline both of his kidneys had entered stage 2 failure that fast.

The Tren Blend (Prop, Cyp, Hex 1:1:1 I believe) is personally my favorite because I worked out how to stay as safe as possible (stacked with Primo E and Test E).

After this run I will probably stick with NPP instead of Tren because of my age (closing in on 40).

You can run NPP longer, it's safer, and over the cycle you can make the same gains if all is dialed in (though it will take longer).

I won't say MENT doesn't work because it does, but it's at such a high toxicity level the trade off for time vs speed to size isn't something I could personally recommend. It was on my radar, I was tip toeing around it, but my friend went full on kidney failure so fast he would have needed weekly bloodwork to catch it soon enough.

Pick a DHT, a 19nor, and Testosterone as a base and run with that would be my recommendations, and give it time vs rushing it.

I wish you all the best brother!

oh so it does affect cystatin C massively if i understand right, maybe i'll try it for less than 5 weeks so i can have a taste of what it is truly capable of, without anything, just test and ment maybe raloxifene as you mentioned it
wish you the best too

 

[xccdf]

oh so it does affect cystatin C massively if i understand right, maybe i'll try it for less than 5 weeks so i can have a taste of what it is truly capable of, without anything, just test and ment maybe raloxifene as you mentioned it
wish you the best too

Do us a solid, us as in the community that wants to get big as you but keep us all safe. Get this 1-2 weeks beforehand, pin just 25 (you can always titrate up) a week for 2-3 weeks max, then repeat the blood work:

Testosterone (Total/Free), Estradiol, FSH, LH, SHBG, Prolactin, PSA (Prostate-Specific Antigen), ALT, AST, ALP, Bilirubin, GGT, Creatinine, BUN (Urea), eGFR, Electrolytes (Sodium, Potassium), Complete Blood Count (CBC including Hemoglobin, Hematocrit, RBC, WBC, Platelets), Lipid Profile (Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Triglycerides), Fasting Glucose, Insulin, Cortisol, TSH, Free T4, Free T3.

This way you might be blessed and can handle it. If not, you can bail more safely and rotate into something safer.

 

[Davy]

Do us a solid, us as in the community that wants to get big as you but keep us all safe. Get this 1-2 weeks beforehand, pin just 25 (you can always titrate up) a week for 2-3 weeks max, then repeat the blood work:

Testosterone (Total/Free), Estradiol, FSH, LH, SHBG, Prolactin, PSA (Prostate-Specific Antigen), ALT, AST, ALP, Bilirubin, GGT, Creatinine, BUN (Urea), eGFR, Electrolytes (Sodium, Potassium), Complete Blood Count (CBC including Hemoglobin, Hematocrit, RBC, WBC, Platelets), Lipid Profile (Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, Triglycerides), Fasting Glucose, Insulin, Cortisol, TSH, Free T4, Free T3.

This way you might be blessed and can handle it. If not, you can bail more safely and rotate into something safer.

thanks for the blood work recommendation, i'll keep the list somewhere so i can ask my med to let me check those specific markers...

 

[xccdf]

thanks for the blood work recommendation, i'll keep the list somewhere so i can ask my med to let me check those specific markers...

Feel free to share blood results in a PM or here.

However, I do ask you type them and not take a picture (for privacy purposes). I love pouring over markers and extrapulating the findings while including the cycle stack (I do not have a PhD or Doctorates, so my response would 100% be solely based on what I have read, papers I have reviewed, and anecdotal conclusions. Always consult a doctor vs me).

Stay strong my friend