The story of my first cycle

[tornpt]

Hi guys,

Im new to this PEDs world and i come here to share my story with you. My goal is to be able to train combat sports and strength training daily. To avoid overloading my body i keep my gym sessions short with only three compound moves per day. Im 28yo around 77kg and 178cm, and doing this naturally seemed to drain my body to a point where i was always pushing it, always tired and without energy. I did no tests back then but i guess that overtraining crashed my natural testosterone levels. So basically i decided to give PEDs a try. As every beginner, i was afraid of needles and lacked a lot of knowledge in this area, so i decided that oxandrolone only for the first cycle was the thing. So i started with 20mg/day as my pre-workout. I felt no difference really so i upped the dose to like 40mg a day. let it stabilize a few weeks still nothing so i decided to go up to 100mg a day. ,at this point i was like 3weeks in and i started to get a bit of acne in random places like my arms but very mild. even at this insane dosage i could not notice anything really different, maybe a bit drier but not stronger and more physically capable. One thing i noticed was my balls shrinking so i guess at this point even with just oxandrolone i was already suppress. Anyhow, i decided to talk with a gym bro so he can give me a propper "beginner cycle" and there it goes:

-> 500mg of testosterone a week split into two injections tuesday and thursday. Working with sustalad (sustanon) here.
-> 100mg of Oxymetholone per day as pre workout
-> 20mg tamoxifen
-> 5mg tadalafil
-> 25mg proviron(Mesterolone)
-> have A.I. on hand for signs of high e2

So i started this cycle. And with this i felt a really significant change. I was stronger, i mean really stronger. to a point where after i trained i felt more pain in my tendoms than in my muscles. i was lifting heavy and it felt like i didnt need to rest. everything was going great untill acne started to appear around week 5 of test. by this time i also got injured and was not training and noticed that i was starting to get a lot of acne in my back and forehead and also felt a bit moody. so i decided to go for a bloodwork.

HCT -> 45.3 %
LDL -> 104 mg/dL
HDL -> 33 mg/dL
prolactin -> 8.9 ng/ml
estrogen -> 86.7 pg/ml (ref value < 32.0)
Total Plasmatic Testosterone -> 1124.5 ng/dl (ref value 241.0 - 827.0)
free testosterone -> 40.55 pg/ml (ref value 4.81 - 22.42)
DHT -> 0.865 ng/ml (ref value 0.143 - 0.842)
SHBG -> 18.83 nmol/l

i did more exams but these are the ones that stay on this topic.

-> hct seems to be normal. i also stopped training a few weeks ago and since i was taking oxymetholone as pre workout i also stopped taking it.
-> hdl seemed a bit low, but could be because of those days i took 100mg of oxandrolone.
-> estrogen is pretty high. already started to take A.I., 0,25mg two times a week with injections.
-> DHT a bit out of "natural" range but very close.
-> total plasmatic test seems a bit low. could it be a mistake on the exam? my serynges sometimes have like 0.7~0.9ml but thats still too low for 350 ~500 mg/week
-> free test, i dont really know how to interpert these values. is this ok for a dosage of 350 to 500mg a week?

So after those results my goal for my cycle changed to trying to find my dosage of testosterone that keeps everything into healthy ranges and acne from coming up. as first measures i reduced the dosage of test from 500mg to 250mg a week. dropped proviron for now and also oxymetholone. and try to see if acne improves and check bloods in the next 6weeks. At this point i have no idea if acne is dht or estrogen related, so i guess im combating both by taking a.i. and lowering test levels.

 

[Donvitosharkone]

Hi guys,

Im new to this PEDs world and i come here to share my story with you. My goal is to be able to train combat sports and strength training daily. To avoid overloading my body i keep my gym sessions short with only three compound moves per day. Im 28yo around 77kg and 178cm, and doing this naturally seemed to drain my body to a point where i was always pushing it, always tired and without energy. I did no tests back then but i guess that overtraining crashed my natural testosterone levels. So basically i decided to give PEDs a try. As every beginner, i was afraid of needles and lacked a lot of knowledge in this area, so i decided that oxandrolone only for the first cycle was the thing. So i started with 20mg/day as my pre-workout. I felt no difference really so i upped the dose to like 40mg a day. let it stabilize a few weeks still nothing so i decided to go up to 100mg a day. ,at this point i was like 3weeks in and i started to get a bit of acne in random places like my arms but very mild. even at this insane dosage i could not notice anything really different, maybe a bit drier but not stronger and more physically capable. One thing i noticed was my balls shrinking so i guess at this point even with just oxandrolone i was already suppress. Anyhow, i decided to talk with a gym bro so he can give me a propper "beginner cycle" and there it goes:

-> 500mg of testosterone a week split into two injections tuesday and thursday. Working with sustalad (sustanon) here.
-> 100mg of Oxymetholone per day as pre workout
-> 20mg tamoxifen
-> 5mg tadalafil
-> 25mg proviron(Mesterolone)
-> have A.I. on hand for signs of high e2

So i started this cycle. And with this i felt a really significant change. I was stronger, i mean really stronger. to a point where after i trained i felt more pain in my tendoms than in my muscles. i was lifting heavy and it felt like i didnt need to rest. everything was going great untill acne started to appear around week 5 of test. by this time i also got injured and was not training and noticed that i was starting to get a lot of acne in my back and forehead and also felt a bit moody. so i decided to go for a bloodwork.

HCT -> 45.3 %
LDL -> 104 mg/dL
HDL -> 33 mg/dL
prolactin -> 8.9 ng/ml
estrogen -> 86.7 pg/ml (ref value < 32.0)
Total Plasmatic Testosterone -> 1124.5 ng/dl (ref value 241.0 - 827.0)
free testosterone -> 40.55 pg/ml (ref value 4.81 - 22.42)
DHT -> 0.865 ng/ml (ref value 0.143 - 0.842)
SHBG -> 18.83 nmol/l

i did more exams but these are the ones that stay on this topic.

-> hct seems to be normal. i also stopped training a few weeks ago and since i was taking oxymetholone as pre workout i also stopped taking it.
-> hdl seemed a bit low, but could be because of those days i took 100mg of oxandrolone.
-> estrogen is pretty high. already started to take A.I., 0,25mg two times a week with injections.
-> DHT a bit out of "natural" range but very close.
-> total plasmatic test seems a bit low. could it be a mistake on the exam? my serynges sometimes have like 0.7~0.9ml but thats still too low for 350 ~500 mg/week
-> free test, i dont really know how to interpert these values. is this ok for a dosage of 350 to 500mg a week?

So after those results my goal for my cycle changed to trying to find my dosage of testosterone that keeps everything into healthy ranges and acne from coming up. as first measures i reduced the dosage of test from 500mg to 250mg a week. dropped proviron for now and also oxymetholone. and try to see if acne improves and check bloods in the next 6weeks. At this point i have no idea if acne is dht or estrogen related, so i guess im combating both by taking a.i. and lowering test levels.
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Hey man, WELCOME and thanks for sharing your story so openly. It’s really refreshing to see someone being this transparent about their journey. It’s clear you’ve already walked through some fire of experimentation and learned a lot in a short time.

Starting with oxandrolone solo is a classic rookie move (we’ve all been there), especially for those who want to ease into the PED world without needles. While it’s relatively mild on paper, it’s still suppressive and, ironically, not that anabolic for most men at standard doses. The fact that you jumped to 100mg/day and only got mild dryness and some ball shrinkage, but no noticeable strength gain, pretty much confirms what many experience: anavar alone isn’t magic, and without test in the mix, it’s often underwhelming against your own expectations!!

Your real first cycle with 500mg Sustanon and 100mg Anadrol pre-workout was much more aligned with something that’d move the needle. Not surprising that you felt powerful hahaha… Driada’s Anadrol is notorious for explosive strength, insane pumps, and that “I’m a tank” gym feeling. Thought the compound itself it’s also a known wrecker of lipids and can easily nudge estrogen sky high, especially alongside test.

Looking at your bloods:

• Hematocrit at 45.3% is solid. No need to donate blood yet, but worth watching if you go back on Anadrol later

• HDL at 33 is likely tanked from orals (Anadrol and possibly earlier oxandrolone). Give your liver and lipids some breathing room

• Estrogen at 86.7 pg/ml is high, especially considering you’re only on test now. It aligns with your acne and moodiness. Good move starting AI, but keep it minimal. 0.25 mg of Arimidex twice weekly is fine as long as sides are present. Don’t crash your E2 trying to chase textbook or Reddit levels hahaha (you BETTER stay here with us )

• Total test at 1124 ng/dL on 500mg/week is a bit under what we might expect, but not alarmingly so. Blood timing, lab variability, oil dispersion, and inaccurate syringe measurements could easily explain it

• Free T at 40.55 pg/ml is high, and that’s what really matters from a physiological point of view. You’re clearly androgen-loaded

• DHT slightly elevated and SHBG low… typical on cycle and explains your higher free T. Low SHBG makes the test feel more potent

What’s really smart is your pivot: reducing test to 250mg/week, dropping orals, and letting your body stabilize. Acne is complex, since it can be driven by high androgens, high estrogen, or even sudden hormonal fluctuations. Reducing variables is exactly the right move

If u allow me to provide quick thoughts and next steps to you:

• Stick to test only for now until you get a better grip on how your body responds


• Keep logging and sharing (if you would like too of course) the symptoms with your bloods, mood, libido, energy, skin, sleep. Our feedback loop could be your best tool

• Consider adding omega-3s, zinc, and AI (if you’re not already) to help modulate estrogen and support skin and lipids

• Long term: keep an eye on lipids, liver enzymes, and kidney function, especially if you go back on orals
You’re clearly thinking critically and making decisions based on data, not bro-science’ based only

That already puts you in the top 5% of PED users.

Keep sharing updates, this is how we all learn and evolve!!

Note: Some pics? Hahaha

Welcome again, and good luck dialing in that sweet spot

 

[tornpt]

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Hey man, WELCOME and thanks for sharing your story so openly. It’s really refreshing to see someone being this transparent about their journey. It’s clear you’ve already walked through some fire of experimentation and learned a lot in a short time.

Starting with oxandrolone solo is a classic rookie move (we’ve all been there), especially for those who want to ease into the PED world without needles. While it’s relatively mild on paper, it’s still suppressive and, ironically, not that anabolic for most men at standard doses. The fact that you jumped to 100mg/day and only got mild dryness and some ball shrinkage, but no noticeable strength gain, pretty much confirms what many experience: anavar alone isn’t magic, and without test in the mix, it’s often underwhelming against your own expectations!!

Your real first cycle with 500mg Sustanon and 100mg Anadrol pre-workout was much more aligned with something that’d move the needle. Not surprising that you felt powerful hahaha… Driada’s Anadrol is notorious for explosive strength, insane pumps, and that “I’m a tank” gym feeling. Thought the compound itself it’s also a known wrecker of lipids and can easily nudge estrogen sky high, especially alongside test.

Looking at your bloods:

• Hematocrit at 45.3% is solid. No need to donate blood yet, but worth watching if you go back on Anadrol later

• HDL at 33 is likely tanked from orals (Anadrol and possibly earlier oxandrolone). Give your liver and lipids some breathing room

• Estrogen at 86.7 pg/ml is high, especially considering you’re only on test now. It aligns with your acne and moodiness. Good move starting AI, but keep it minimal. 0.25 mg of Arimidex twice weekly is fine as long as sides are present. Don’t crash your E2 trying to chase textbook or Reddit levels hahaha (you BETTER stay here with us )

• Total test at 1124 ng/dL on 500mg/week is a bit under what we might expect, but not alarmingly so. Blood timing, lab variability, oil dispersion, and inaccurate syringe measurements could easily explain it

• Free T at 40.55 pg/ml is high, and that’s what really matters from a physiological point of view. You’re clearly androgen-loaded

• DHT slightly elevated and SHBG low… typical on cycle and explains your higher free T. Low SHBG makes the test feel more potent

What’s really smart is your pivot: reducing test to 250mg/week, dropping orals, and letting your body stabilize. Acne is complex, since it can be driven by high androgens, high estrogen, or even sudden hormonal fluctuations. Reducing variables is exactly the right move

If u allow me to provide quick thoughts and next steps to you:

• Stick to test only for now until you get a better grip on how your body responds


• Keep logging and sharing (if you would like too of course) the symptoms with your bloods, mood, libido, energy, skin, sleep. Our feedback loop could be your best tool

• Consider adding omega-3s, zinc, and AI (if you’re not already) to help modulate estrogen and support skin and lipids

• Long term: keep an eye on lipids, liver enzymes, and kidney function, especially if you go back on orals
You’re clearly thinking critically and making decisions based on data, not bro-science’ based only

That already puts you in the top 5% of PED users.

Keep sharing updates, this is how we all learn and evolve!!

Note: Some pics? Hahaha

Welcome again, and good luck dialing in that sweet spot
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hey thanks a lot for your answer. how do you manage your estrogen? from what i've been studying adding a second compound with anti-estrogenic properties might me more interesting such as masteron or boldenone. also do you think that the short esters in sustanon could cause more acne than lets say working with enanthate only for example?

 

[Donvitosharkone]

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hey thanks a lot for your answer. how do you manage your estrogen? from what i've been studying adding a second compound with anti-estrogenic properties might me more interesting such as masteron or boldenone. also do you think that the short esters in sustanon could cause more acne than lets say working with enanthate only for example?

Hi Buddy!

To be honest… I am too old school hahaha I have learned about my body by bloodwork + AI.

Method, simple…

1) Base bloodwork:
Hormonal: FHS, E2, Prolactin, Free and total Test.
Organic: COMPLETE RED+WHITE series

2) use test only AS HIGH as your body can withstand before showing sides (water retention, gyno, acne, etc.

3) 2nd bloodwork: the same as step 1

4) Play with AI in minimal quantities (for example: 25 mg EOD per every 500 mg test.)

5) repeat bloodwork and adjust until you manage.

Why was for my like that?

Simple:

Wanted to understand my maximums (so you learn how to go in your next cycle too).

And MORE IMPORTANT: I am not limiting by anabolic load thinking in control, but only on anabolic interest (while my androgenicity is managed by test only)

More clearer: I am not adding useless MG, but only what I really WANT to use (not “NEEDED FOR CONTROL”).

This said… before answering you…

Have you done any bloodwork to share?

Just confirm, otherwise we can work it out by bro knowledge anyway. But would like to give you my view more objectively