TRT EXPERIENCES (CIPIONATE/ENANTHATE/UNDECANOATE)

[Baugaros]

Hello,

A question for those of you who use TRT or have knowledge about it.

Which of the three testosterone options has worked best for you in your TRT and what dosage do you use? (I know that hormonal tests will tell you this, but just to have references from other TRT users...)

What works better for you, intramuscular or subcutaneous?

Once a week, or divide the doses 2 or 3 times a week?

Do you mix it with anything else?

Regards.

 

[W.W]

Hello,

A question for those of you who use TRT or have knowledge about it.

Which of the three testosterone options has worked best for you in your TRT and what dosage do you use? (I know that hormonal tests will tell you this, but just to have references from other TRT users...)

What works better for you, intramuscular or subcutaneous?

Once a week, or divide the doses 2 or 3 times a week?

Do you mix it with anything else?

Regards.

Trt is different from cruise.
if you are looking for a real dosage trt is the dose that allows you to be within the norm in your bloodwork
between 75-100mg per week for most people, it's medical not for guys like us

if you're talking about Cruise it will be between 150-200mg for most people.
-Test U for comfort, you can do 1 injection for 2 weeks
-I always take E or C, 2 injections of 75mg subq per week

It's just a dose that allows you to recover your body from blast damage (HDL/liver…)
A dose to have the e2 in the norm of course!

For me it's really a period to rest your body and keep most of the gains from your blast, so obviously no primo or stuff like that unless you're 130kg 8%BF

 

[Baugaros]

Trt is different from cruise.
if you are looking for a real dosage trt is the dose that allows you to be within the norm in your bloodwork
between 75-100mg per week for most people, it's medical not for guys like us

if you're talking about Cruise it will be between 150-200mg for most people.
-Test U for comfort, you can do 1 injection for 2 weeks
-I always take E or C, 2 injections of 75mg subq per week

It's just a dose that allows you to recover your body from blast damage (HDL/liver…)
A dose to have the e2 in the norm of course!

For me it's really a period to rest your body and keep most of the gains from your blast, so obviously no primo or stuff like that unless you're 130kg 8%BF

Hello,

Well, let me tell you a bit about my story:

After 25 years of weight training (between the ages of 20 and 45), with the goal of slowly gaining volume and closely controlling my body fat to avoid exceeding weight (I competed in Valetudo ), a sport similar to what is now called MMA, I started in Welter -77.1kg and ended up fighting in Light Heavyweight -93kg. Logically, for weigh-ins, you go dehydrated, shitting, and peeing to weigh as little as possible... I hovered around 100kg in Vol. with 180cm).

Well, I gave up everything because I had to go through three surgeries to correct an inguinal hernia, then another one on my belly button, then the pandemic hit, then I had to solve sleep problems because I had respiratory apnoeas (73 per hour... I could have died from a stroke... I sleep with a CPAP).

Well, after all this and almost 7 years without training, without using AAS, without living a healthy life... Well, I ended up at 115kg with a BF of.....30%. A total fatty

Now, after 6 months back at the gym, doing cardio and weight training, I have lost 10kg, and since it was already very difficult for me to stick to the diet and keep losing weight. I started using Semaglutide (I am at 88kg today with 3 months of SEMA and 9 months in total of the program). And the idea is to drop down to 80kg and 10/12% BF. Logically, I sacrifice the little muscle I had left... It's a price I have to pay.

Once I reach this weight (Before it didn't make sense to use Testo because with a high %BF... You'll definitely aromatise and it's not worth using them). I will use a basic protocol of C or E testosterone between 350/500mg per week for about 14/18 weeks +Retra+Cagrilintida+Other Adhoc.

With the idea of seeing how I respond at 51 years old, because I'm not just worried about gaining weight... I'm worried about how the tests (liver, cholesterol, blood pressure...) will turn out during the cycle. And above all, and that's why I was asking the question... How will I recover my testosterone levels afterwards (if I recover them at all...)?

That's why I'm getting informed about what it would be like to spend the rest of my life on TRT... I don't look for TRT+ because I think that for that, you have to get blood tests every 3/6 months, check the prostate once a year, etc., etc....

But if I could do this 14-week ON protocol once a year and the rest of the year OFF to be in better physical shape, I wouldn't consider TRT for now; with the years, we'll see. But it's hard to come back, and on top of that, having to lose so much weight, you see yourself thin and weak, you miss when you were bigger. And even though I know I have to be careful because age doesn't forgive, and I have to take care of my joints... I want to start training again with that boost from AAS (I miss them, hehehe).

But if it goes wrong, and I don't return to acceptable levels, the idea would be to use the minimum dose that my body allows without issues of blood pressure, cholesterol, etc... Even if it doesn't go up to 800/900 testosterone in the blood, I don't mind, I'm fine with being around 500/600 without oestrogen problems and having to use AI, HCG, etc... (But logically, if I can get as close to 900 as possible, even better..)

These are my latest test results. I suppose that with the diet my testosterone levels have changed, or maybe not. But I will check it with the tests I will have done in September.



Haematocrit 42.7 39%

T4 0,98
T3 2,86
TSH 3.26
FSH 2.82
LH 3.86
Oestradiol 17.0
Prolactin 10.45
Progesterone 0.3
Free testosterone 427
Testosterone RIA 390
SHBG 11.8
Cortisol 12.22

The rest is all normal... Lipids, liver, kidney, blood pressure, etc... ( when I weighed 115kg this last one was bad... But the latest tests with 90kg, everything is OK and improving... ).



Sorry for the lengthy talk....



Greetings.

 

[lisanovskyi]

Hello,

A question for those of you who use TRT or have knowledge about it.

Which of the three testosterone options has worked best for you in your TRT and what dosage do you use? (I know that hormonal tests will tell you this, but just to have references from other TRT users...)

What works better for you, intramuscular or subcutaneous?

Once a week, or divide the doses 2 or 3 times a week?

Do you mix it with anything else?

Regards.

Definitely not testosterone enanthate — at most cypionate. Undecanoate is good for TRT.


Above, people mentioned having 400 testosterone — that’s definitely not for medical use.


Normally, for you to feel great, you should have around 35 nmol/L of testosterone.


Don’t listen to the comments above — there’s really no big difference between types of testosterone; the longer the ester, the better.


You can do injections twice a week, once a week, or once every two weeks — it all depends on the ester.


The main thing is to keep track of your bloodwork and possible aromatization (which will happen, that’s a fact).


If you use Sustanon once every 14–17 days, adjust based on how you feel.


This is hormone replacement therapy, so the less often you inject, the better in my opinion.


As for testosterone patches — use them if you want, it’s all individual.


Here’s a chart showing testosterone’s action curve and when the peak occurs.

 

[Baugaros]

Definitely not testosterone enanthate — at most cypionate. Undecanoate is good for TRT.


Above, people mentioned having 400 testosterone — that’s definitely not for medical use.


Normally, for you to feel great, you should have around 35 nmol/L of testosterone.


Don’t listen to the comments above — there’s really no big difference between types of testosterone; the longer the ester, the better.


You can do injections twice a week, once a week, or once every two weeks — it all depends on the ester.


The main thing is to keep track of your bloodwork and possible aromatization (which will happen, that’s a fact).


If you use Sustanon once every 14–17 days, adjust based on how you feel.


This is hormone replacement therapy, so the less often you inject, the better in my opinion.


As for testosterone patches — use them if you want, it’s all individual.


Here’s a chart showing testosterone’s action curve and when the peak occurs.

Hello Friend, thanks for responding, I have a few questions about your answers, thanks in advance for responding.
With this Google Translate thing, some things aren't clear to me...

It's definitely not testosterone enanthate, but at most cipionate. Undecanoate is good for TRT.
*** I always thot Cipio and Enent were practically the same?? Why do you say no to Enant?? Any experience or reason on which you base Enant NO, Cipi YES?

Previously, it was mentioned to have 400 testosterone, which is definitely not for medical use.
*** As I mentioned before, this will be the protocol once a year for the next 3/5 years at most. And the rest of the year, if I can recover my axis, then OFF from AAS. If not, then TRT as low as possible to maintain a healthy level of testosterone.

And then at 60 years old... Well, TRT. That's why the question I'm asking is only about TRT. Because I want to gather information from experiences, on the MESORX, Foromusculo forums... There are many TRT threads, but in the end, people ask questions and don't comment later on what they did and the long-term results, and this is not a cycle, it's over the long term of years... Therefore, the information is always contradictory. And I'm looking for information from people who know this firsthand.

Normally, to feel good, you should have around 35 nmol/L of testosterone.
***Can you give me more information about this, 35nmol/L** Do you mean 350nmol/L, is 35 low? I've gotten lost in this....

Don't pay attention to the previous comments; actually, there isn't a big difference between the types of testosterone; the longer the ester, the better.
***So, is weekly Undecanoate as stable as 2x Cypionate? I prefer once a week or two week, it's more convenient... Even considering its half-life, every 10/15 days...???

It can be injected twice a week, once a week, or once every two weeks; it all depends on the ester.
*** With Unde, is it possible every 2 weeks? Is it stable?

The main thing is to monitor your blood tests and the possible aromatization (which will happen, that's a fact).
*** So with TRT, will you always have to use AI, or is it possible to avoid aromatization just by adjusting doses?

If you use Sustanon once every 14 to 17 days, adjust it according to how you feel.
*** I always thot Sustanon was the least suitable because of its peaks.... Is this good for administering every 15 days?

This is hormone replacement therapy, so, in my opinion, the less you inject, the better.
*** Totally agree.... Fewer problems and more comfortable.

As for testosterone patches, use them if you wish; each case is individual.
*** I don't consider them, they give me little reliability and it's a hassle to always have them stuck on....

Here is a chart that shows the action curve of testosterone and when the peak occurs.
*** Thank you very much for your information!!

Greetings

 

[lisanovskyi]

Hello Friend, thanks for responding, I have a few questions about your answers, thanks in advance for responding.
With this Google Translate thing, some things aren't clear to me...

It's definitely not testosterone enanthate, but at most cipionate. Undecanoate is good for TRT.
*** I always thot Cipio and Enent were practically the same?? Why do you say no to Enant?? Any experience or reason on which you base Enant NO, Cipi YES?

Previously, it was mentioned to have 400 testosterone, which is definitely not for medical use.
*** As I mentioned before, this will be the protocol once a year for the next 3/5 years at most. And the rest of the year, if I can recover my axis, then OFF from AAS. If not, then TRT as low as possible to maintain a healthy level of testosterone.

And then at 60 years old... Well, TRT. That's why the question I'm asking is only about TRT. Because I want to gather information from experiences, on the MESORX, Foromusculo forums... There are many TRT threads, but in the end, people ask questions and don't comment later on what they did and the long-term results, and this is not a cycle, it's over the long term of years... Therefore, the information is always contradictory. And I'm looking for information from people who know this firsthand.

Normally, to feel good, you should have around 35 nmol/L of testosterone.
***Can you give me more information about this, 35nmol/L** Do you mean 350nmol/L, is 35 low? I've gotten lost in this....

Don't pay attention to the previous comments; actually, there isn't a big difference between the types of testosterone; the longer the ester, the better.
***So, is weekly Undecanoate as stable as 2x Cypionate? I prefer once a week or two week, it's more convenient... Even considering its half-life, every 10/15 days...???

It can be injected twice a week, once a week, or once every two weeks; it all depends on the ester.
*** With Unde, is it possible every 2 weeks? Is it stable?

The main thing is to monitor your blood tests and the possible aromatization (which will happen, that's a fact).
*** So with TRT, will you always have to use AI, or is it possible to avoid aromatization just by adjusting doses?

If you use Sustanon once every 14 to 17 days, adjust it according to how you feel.
*** I always thot Sustanon was the least suitable because of its peaks.... Is this good for administering every 15 days?

This is hormone replacement therapy, so, in my opinion, the less you inject, the better.
*** Totally agree.... Fewer problems and more comfortable.

As for testosterone patches, use them if you wish; each case is individual.
*** I don't consider them, they give me little reliability and it's a hassle to always have them stuck on....

Here is a chart that shows the action curve of testosterone and when the peak occurs.
*** Thank you very much for your information!!

Greetings

To maintain ~35 nmol/L on TRT for an average man, you need:

• 90–110 mg of pure testosterone per week
• This is approximately 130–160 mg of cypionate per week.

Cypionate is a long ester, with a half-life of ~8 days, so:





The best approach:

• 2 injections per week (for example, Mon and Fri) of 65–80 mg (0.26–0.32 ml at 250 mg/ml).
• Or once every 5 days at 75–80 mg.

This keeps your levels stable, without peaks and troughs.





Just keep an eye on your labs — it’s simpler than Sustanon. To avoid fluctuations, you can buy insulin syringes and separate needles, and inject calmly into shoulders, legs, etc. It’s convenient and safe. With Sustanon, there are more questions — there’s Sustanon 250, but it may contain 176 mg of active testosterone; in the triad version, it’s supposedly 250 mg each, which is fine, but you still need to know your weight, etc. — that’s for a doctor to set up your therapy correctly.





In short, if you want something simple without deep knowledge or hassle, I would choose cypionate, inject twice a week at 0.4 ml, and feel great. That’s what I do now because I have cypionate and decided to use it. If it were another testosterone, I would use that one and possibly make different adjustments, graphs, and monitoring. This comes from paid pharmacology training I did a long time ago, so this information is also available online for each drug.





Good luck!

 

[Baugaros]

Thank you very much for the clarification.

In case I reach the point of doing TRT, I will use Cipio every 5 days, it's the most comfortable, with a 0.5x12mm needle in the shoulder, arms, and leg....



Thank you very much