My conservative stack :)

Donvitosharkone · 2026-07-09T10:03:27+0300

xeaven said:
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This is my current stack
ANDRIOLOS: 125mg/week - I love undecanoate most, it gives min side effects comparing other esters.
CIALYN: 5mg/day - just for health, BP and prostate control.
NANDECOS: 25mg/week - just some joint help, I like heavy weights
SARTANOS: 10mg/day - when needed sometimes I may get bloated depending on my diet, my family has kidney problems and I am genetically candidate so I always keep my BP under control no matter what I run. During blast, I usually take it 15-20mg/day depends on my BP that time.
UDCA/TUDCA: 250mg/day - I take it usually for general health, I use oral as PWO so just in case.
TURINABOL/ANAVAROS: 10mg/day - I take them as PWO these days, anavar gives more pump but sometimes pump harden my ROM so I switch TBOL depending on my training.
NOLVADOS: Just in case, keeping it for emergency, already have a little gyno, don't want them to be worsen.
CABERGOLIN: Again just in case, when my E2 gets high then it elevates my prolactin too when I am on MK677 or any 19NOR.
PROVIRON: Again just in case, to avoid or at least reduce symptoms of Deca-Dick/DHN.
AROMASIN: I usually take 6.25mg twice in last week before bloodwork otherwise it gets elevated, when I switch my testosterone ester.
EZETIMIBE/ROSUVASTATIN: I have high LDL genetically so I take them to lower my LDL dosage depends on my bloodwork and the stuff I am running. Currently I am on 5mg/day ROSUVASTATIN.
RITONAVIR: This is another just in case drug, If my hormones messed up but have to have a good sex, then I just take 100mg ritonavir to boost the power of Cialis. I tried it with Viagra but then my world was blue for some hours, combining with Cialis is better for side effects for me.
PROPIOS/TESTOS: I keep them for my TRT blood work, If I need to go doctor check, I need to drop 80mg to week so switching from undecanoate and coming back stable levels needs some work, I adjust my range with them since they are short acting comparing undecanoate.
METFORMIN: 1000mg/day - I take it because of MK677, it does help my insulin sensitivity.
IBUTAMOREN: 15mg/day - I take it for joints/sleep/recovery
SEMAGLUTIDE: 0.25mg/week - just for small cut before blast
CAGRILINTIDE: 0.3mg/week - just for small cut before blast

And lastly photo of my cellar, a small supplement shop

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Hi Xeaven!!

First of all, I respect the honesty and the fact that you clearly try to keep health markers under control. You’re not just blasting blindly, and that’s already better than many people.

But I’ll be honest too: I wouldn’t call this conservative hahaha . The testosterone dose is conservative, yes. But the full setup is not. It’s a lot of compounds, a lot of “just in case” meds, and many things added to fix side effects from other things.

For example, daily oral Anavar/Tbol as pre-workout, MK-677, metformin to manage MK-677, statins, BP meds, Nolva, caber, Proviron, Aromasin, sema, cagri… at some point it becomes difficult to know what is helping, what is hurting, and what is only masking a problem.

The biggest thing I’d correct is this: don’t use ancillaries emotionally. Caber, Aromasin, Nolva, Proviron and BP meds should be based on bloodwork, symptoms and a clear reason, not just because they are available in the drawer. More control drugs does not always mean more control.

I also wouldn’t run orals casually as PWO. Even at 10 mg, if it becomes a habit, it still adds stress to lipids, liver and blood pressure. Same with MK-677: nice for appetite/sleep/joints in some people, but if you already need metformin because of insulin sensitivity, that tells you the compound has a cost.

The good part: you seem organized, you monitor BP, you care about LDL, and you’re thinking long term. That’s positive.

My advice: simplify. Keep the base, keep only what you truly need, use bloodwork to decide, and don’t let the “support stack” become bigger than the actual cycle. Conservative is not only low Test. Conservative is low complexity.

Shark

xeaven · 2026-07-09T14:17:36+0300

I actually agree with you, @Donvitosharkone.

“conservative” was just for fun actually

I have been on and off PEDs for almost 10 years, and honestly I already fucked up my natural production/testicles, so I have been on TRT since last year. I get regular bloodwork by doctor but they are really weird here, they limit tests only with testosterone and E2, LDL, HDL, HCT. I discussed many time to add more tests but he rejects for no reason.

My nipples are very sensitive to both E2 and prolactin. I wish they weren’t

Of course I would always prefer bloodwork to know the exact values, and I would love to have easier access to more frequent and more detailed bloodwork. But healthcare is getting harder day by day, so over the years I also learned how my body feels when E2 or prolactin starts getting high.

I actually like E2 a bit elevated because it helps my joints. I am naturally a skinny-fat guy, not blessed with thick bones or super strong joints, but I still love lifting heavy. I use Aromasin, If I feel E2 symptoms, I start very low, usually 6.25 mg, because with these dosages E2 cannot really skyrocket. If symptoms are still there after around 2 weeks, I try P-5-P for prolactin first. Cabaser is really my last bullet.

I also agree about the orals. Right now I am on a small cut before my next blast, but still training heavy, so I use a small oral dose pre-workout as an extra anabolic push to lower muscle break down during training and keep performance while calories are low. Normally, when I am resting, I am much simpler: 180 mg testosterone undecanoate every other week, Cialis, and my statin.

But I have to confess, I do love playing with drugs and supplements. It is kind of my biggest hobby

I just wish bloodwork was easier, because then I could test these things in a much cleaner way instead of combining bloodwork, experience, and symptoms.

One weird example: nattokinase really helps me control hematocrit. Blood donation here is difficult because of stupid rules, and I have not been able to donate for almost 2 years. Before nattokinase, managing hematocrit was almost impossible for me. Now I can keep it in range.

Thanks for feedback, I do love when community advertise low/controlled usage, this is what we need most!!

PS: I added EZETIMIBE to my stack after you suggest me in other topic, I will try it with blast and drop statin during blast, probably will get bloodwork to see how it helps in blast

Donvitosharkone · 2026-07-09T15:01:35+0300

xeaven said:
I actually agree with you, @Donvitosharkone.

“conservative” was just for fun actually

I have been on and off PEDs for almost 10 years, and honestly I already fucked up my natural production/testicles, so I have been on TRT since last year. I get regular bloodwork by doctor but they are really weird here, they limit tests only with testosterone and E2, LDL, HDL, HCT. I discussed many time to add more tests but he rejects for no reason.

My nipples are very sensitive to both E2 and prolactin. I wish they weren’t Of course I would always prefer bloodwork to know the exact values, and I would love to have easier access to more frequent and more detailed bloodwork. But healthcare is getting harder day by day, so over the years I also learned how my body feels when E2 or prolactin starts getting high.

I actually like E2 a bit elevated because it helps my joints. I am naturally a skinny-fat guy, not blessed with thick bones or super strong joints, but I still love lifting heavy. I use Aromasin, If I feel E2 symptoms, I start very low, usually 6.25 mg, because with these dosages E2 cannot really skyrocket. If symptoms are still there after around 2 weeks, I try P-5-P for prolactin first. Cabaser is really my last bullet.

I also agree about the orals. Right now I am on a small cut before my next blast, but still training heavy, so I use a small oral dose pre-workout as an extra anabolic push to lower muscle break down during training and keep performance while calories are low. Normally, when I am resting, I am much simpler: 180 mg testosterone undecanoate every other week, Cialis, and my statin.

But I have to confess, I do love playing with drugs and supplements. It is kind of my biggest hobby I just wish bloodwork was easier, because then I could test these things in a much cleaner way instead of combining bloodwork, experience, and symptoms.

One weird example: nattokinase really helps me control hematocrit. Blood donation here is difficult because of stupid rules, and I have not been able to donate for almost 2 years. Before nattokinase, managing hematocrit was almost impossible for me. Now I can keep it in range.

Thanks for feedback, I do love when community advertise low/controlled usage, this is what we need most!!

PS: I added EZETIMIBE to my stack after you suggest me in other topic, I will try it with blast and drop statin during blast, probably will get bloodwork to see how it helps in blast

Xeaven!

I really like this answer, brother. The fact that you can joke about it, but still admit the weak points, already shows maturity.

And I agree with you: low and controlled usage is exactly the message this community should push more often. Not fear, not ego, not “more drugs fix more problems,” but control, bloodwork, experience and knowing your own body.

Also, respect for keeping Caber as the last bullet and not using it casually. Same with Aromasin. Small, careful adjustments always beat panic dosing.

My only final point would be this: the more experience you have, the more valuable simplicity becomes. You already know your body well, so use that knowledge to remove noise, not add more layers.

Good post, good mindset, and honestly, this kind of discussion is exactly what helps others learn without doing stupid things first!! Hahaha

Shark

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