1.5 Month progress

[Trojan]

After almost 5 months being on a very low TRT dose and being away from gyms and diet, I returned.

400mg Test E, 350 primo.
Added 40mg anavar now.
Always 40mg telmisartan.
HCG 1000 per week

Started with 20% BF, currently 13%

Gonna keep 1.5 months more, now with anavar I feel stronger and for some reason cardio is being easier.

Typical calorie deficite diet. 500kcal below maint. High protein 2.5x
30 to 45m, 140 to 160 bps cardio is being done every other day.

 

[Einherjar]

I’d definitely recommend lowering your doses. 250 mg of testosterone and 20 mg of oxandrolone should be more than enough. By the way, what’s the reason you're on TRT?

 

[Trojan]

I’d definitely recommend lowering your doses. 250 mg of testosterone and 20 mg of oxandrolone should be more than enough. By the way, what’s the reason you're on TRT?

No primo?
I only have 1 month and a half left on my cut.
I actually did a lot of shit with steroids and was blasting for like 8 months straight so I just went to trt afterwards.
I was 5 months without going to the gym due to personal problems and no diet as well. So I lost everything basically lol, I am trying to do things clean this time and losing all bf before I start a bulk

What is your recommendation?
Should I only increase dose if I am on a bulk or?

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

What is your recommendation?
Should I only increase dose if I am on a bulk or?

I don't want to sound mean. But you don't have the physique to use steroids. It's not your fault, you're still a beginner and you need to learn how to train first, eat, shit, sleep, and repeat this for years.

If your goal is absolute steroid use, then yes, only doses not exceeding 350-500mg in bulk (long bulk cycle, at least 16 weeks). The goal is to support muscle gain. Because you don't have the adequate muscle mass for steroid use yet.

It will come with time if you're motivated. And to exceed the 500mg dose, it will take you many years.

 

[Trojan]

I don't want to sound mean. But you don't have the physique to use steroids. It's not your fault, you're still a beginner and you need to learn how to train first, eat, shit, sleep, and repeat this for years.

If your goal is absolute steroid use, then yes, only doses not exceeding 350-500mg in bulk (long bulk cycle, at least 16 weeks). The goal is to support muscle gain. Because you don't have the adequate muscle mass for steroid use yet.

It will come with time if you're motivated. And to exceed the 500mg dose, it will take you many years.

It's okay! I don't take it personally.
I have been training for many years actually, in the 5 to 6 months I stopped training and dieting I lost a lot, over 15kgs, I was in depression too so it didn't help.

I will lower the dosage to 250mg, Anavar to 20mg.

But how about primo? Do I keep it until the end of the cut?
I wanted to achieve 9 to 10% before the bulk, I am doing things really seriously this time.
Also should I start the bulk right after the cut or wait 1 month on TRT?

Thank you!

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

The primo with 250mg of testosterone will depend on your e2 value. So blood work

With 15kg lost, I understand. It will come back, don't worry.

After a cut, always do a reverse diet. And if you've already done a long cycle, at least 8 weeks of TRT/cruise. This is a general rule for health prevention.

And blood work to see if everything is fine. Always.

But at least a reverse diet. Well managed to find your true kcal maintenance and be able to rely on it for the rest of your bulking.

 

[Einherjar]

It's okay! I don't take it personally.
I have been training for many years actually, in the 5 to 6 months I stopped training and dieting I lost a lot, over 15kgs, I was in depression too so it didn't help.

I will lower the dosage to 250mg, Anavar to 20mg.

But how about primo? Do I keep it until the end of the cut?
I wanted to achieve 9 to 10% before the bulk, I am doing things really seriously this time.
Also should I start the bulk right after the cut or wait 1 month on TRT?

Thank you!

That’s absolutely right — Primo can be used, but first and foremost you need to monitor your estradiol levels.
It doesn’t really matter whether you stick with oxandrolone or Primo — the issue is that your overall dosage is just too high.

Honestly, I’d recommend doing a proper PCT. You could easily maintain your current physique naturally.

But if you’re really set on staying on, at the very least, lower your dosages — it’ll be a smarter and safer move.

 

[Trojan]

The primo with 250mg of testosterone will depend on your e2 value. So blood work

With 15kg lost, I understand. It will come back, don't worry.

After a cut, always do a reverse diet. And if you've already done a long cycle, at least 8 weeks of TRT/cruise. This is a general rule for health prevention.

And blood work to see if everything is fine. Always.

But at least a reverse diet. Well managed to find your true kcal maintenance and be able to rely on it for the rest of your bulking.

I have done blood work before and after starting, E2 is good right now with this dosage, but my blood pressure is too high even talking telmisartan, just donated blood might help.

I am doing a 2 month cut cycle, is it considered long? When should I exactly start the bulk? 1 month cool off is fine?

 

[Trojan]

That’s absolutely right — Primo can be used, but first and foremost you need to monitor your estradiol levels.
It doesn’t really matter whether you stick with oxandrolone or Primo — the issue is that your overall dosage is just too high.

Honestly, I’d recommend doing a proper PCT. You could easily maintain your current physique naturally.

But if you’re really set on staying on, at the very least, lower your dosages — it’ll be a smarter and safer move.

Yes I will reduce the dosages, 250mg test and 200 primo should stick.
When I start the bulk should I increase dosage?

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

Yes I will reduce the dosages, 250mg test and 200 primo should stick.
When I start the bulk should I increase dosage?

No.

You don't need more right now.

I have done blood work before and after starting, E2 is good right now with this dosage, but my blood pressure is too high even talking telmisartan, just donated blood might help.

I am doing a 2 month cut cycle, is it considered long? When should I exactly start the bulk? 1 month cool off is fine?

Two months is pretty short for a real cut. But it can be enough. If you're fat, keep going. The duration is determined by the goal you want to achieve.

And I say no, you don't start bulking right away. Reread what I wrote in the previous post.

 

[Trojan]

No.

You don't need more right now.


Two months is pretty short for a real cut. But it can be enough. If you're fat, keep going. The duration is determined by the goal you want to achieve.

And I say no, you don't start bulking right away. Reread what I wrote in the previous post.

Yes I understood the reverse diet, I will do it.
Thank you