First TRT cycle - questions about e2 and dosage

[Spowny]

Hello ! I'm 38 years old from France and I will share with you my experience on my first TRT+ cycle

August 6th : I decided to start a TRT cycle on my own, because here where I live it's complicated to get it prescribed.

My first blood test results before TRT showed :
4.75ng/ml (16.48nmol/L) total test
36.5 pmol/l (10.5 pg/ml) free test
30 pg/ml for estrogen

My diet is very good (except some weekend days) and I go to the gym 4-5 times a week and lift heavy weights.
Despite my numbers not being under the low limit, they are still low for my age and my lifestyle, I had all symptoms of someone with very low T.

I started to take 200mg of Cypionate divided in 2 injections IM per week : 100mg wednesday evening and 100mg sunday morning.

My libido that I thought was dead is now amazing, chasing wife around the house every day... a game changer ^_^
When I enter to the gym I am like a spartan wearing a cape, I have crazy results and went from 91kg to 97.5kg. Really crazy.
No more mood swings, I enjoy every moments.

Few days before my second blood test, I started to feel bad sometimes and took my blood pressure, it was WAY too high ! (18/12 after sex - 16/10 at rest)
I also started to have nipple sensitivity, for me it was a sign that my estrogen might be too high.

The result of the blood test confirmed it :
October 4th : 120 pg/ml for estrogen
Total test is showed as >15 ng/ml (>52 nmol/l) , my lab couldn't calculate more than that. It might be just over that number or the triple of it. I don't know.
I am still waiting the Free test number, the lab is taking some more time to give me that result.
(All other blood results were in range - Prolactin 320 mUI/L at the high limit (322 is max) - Hematocrit 51.5%)

When I ordered my test I also ordered Aromalyn 25 mg (Exemestane) but didn't take it until first blood test on TRT.
Immediately after I saw my huge 120 estogen number, I took half a pill (12.5mg), and will take half a pill the day after injection for the 2 next weeks.
I will also lower my test dose to 125mg per week and see in like 2 month where I'm sitting on another blood test.


I've read alot concerning estrogen levels and I know that 120 estrogen with like 2500+ test is not quite bad but my BP cannot handle that much estrogen.

I've ordered Anavar also, waiting for delivery. I intended to start it once I get it but I guess I'll first see if my BP goes back in range before I start it.

What do you guys think about lowering my Cypionate dose to 125mg per week ?

(I plan to add Anavar - 10mg in the morning 1h before workout and 10mg in the afternoon)

Thanks for reading !

 

[Donvitosharkone]

Hello ! I'm 38 years old from France and I will share with you my experience on my first TRT+ cycle

August 6th : I decided to start a TRT cycle on my own, because here where I live it's complicated to get it prescribed.

My first blood test results before TRT showed :
4.75ng/ml (16.48nmol/L) total test
36.5 pmol/l (10.5 pg/ml) free test
30 pg/ml for estrogen

My diet is very good (except some weekend days) and I go to the gym 4-5 times a week and lift heavy weights.
Despite my numbers not being under the low limit, they are still low for my age and my lifestyle, I had all symptoms of someone with very low T.

I started to take 200mg of Cypionate divided in 2 injections IM per week : 100mg wednesday evening and 100mg sunday morning.

My libido that I thought was dead is now amazing, chasing wife around the house every day... a game changer ^_^
When I enter to the gym I am like a spartan wearing a cape, I have crazy results and went from 91kg to 97.5kg. Really crazy.
No more mood swings, I enjoy every moments.

Few days before my second blood test, I started to feel bad sometimes and took my blood pressure, it was WAY too high ! (18/12 after sex - 16/10 at rest)
I also started to have nipple sensitivity, for me it was a sign that my estrogen might be too high.

The result of the blood test confirmed it :
October 4th : 120 pg/ml for estrogen
Total test is showed as >15 ng/ml (>52 nmol/l) , my lab couldn't calculate more than that. It might be just over that number or the triple of it. I don't know.
I am still waiting the Free test number, the lab is taking some more time to give me that result.
(All other blood results were in range - Prolactin 320 mUI/L at the high limit (322 is max) - Hematocrit 51.5%)

When I ordered my test I also ordered Aromalyn 25 mg (Exemestane) but didn't take it until first blood test on TRT.
Immediately after I saw my huge 120 estogen number, I took half a pill (12.5mg), and will take half a pill the day after injection for the 2 next weeks.
I will also lower my test dose to 125mg per week and see in like 2 month where I'm sitting on another blood test.


I've read alot concerning estrogen levels and I know that 120 estrogen with like 2500+ test is not quite bad but my BP cannot handle that much estrogen.

I've ordered Anavar also, waiting for delivery. I intended to start it once I get it but I guess I'll first see if my BP goes back in range before I start it.

What do you guys think about lowering my Cypionate dose to 125mg per week ?

(I plan to add Anavar - 10mg in the morning 1h before workout and 10mg in the afternoon)

Thanks for reading !

Solid write-up, man. You did the right thing by checking your bloods early!

120 pg/ml E2 with BP that high is definitely too much for comfort. Lowering your Test C dose to 125 mg/week and adding 12.5 mg Exemestane twice weekly is a smart, conservative move.

That’ll likely bring both your estrogen and blood pressure back in range within a few weeks.

I would say Holding off on the Anavar until things stabilize… I understand there’s no rush, and adding orals while BP is high is asking for trouble. Keep hydration high, reduce sodium a bit, and maybe add some citrus bergamot or telmisartan if your BP stays elevated.

You’re reacting fast, tracking your numbers, and thinking long-term… exactly how TRT+ should be done!!!

I suggest rechecking bloods after 4–6 weeks and adjust from there. You’re on the right path.

Shark

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

Hello.

A little clarification

200mg is NOT a trt dosage...
You have a blood result that proves it, you are way too much above the natural reference value for test (>15) And so necessarily for the E2 too (120mg in real TRT is huge)

So.
A trt is 50-75mg.
A sports trt is no more 150mg (but your e2 and your blood testostérone must be not sky high either)
And a trt should not need to use anti-estrogens. Otherwise it's like entering a cycle zone with just the sides to manage but without the interesting effects of a cycle (you might as well increase the dose of testosterone at this rate and do a real cycle)

 

[Spowny]

Solid write-up, man. You did the right thing by checking your bloods early!

120 pg/ml E2 with BP that high is definitely too much for comfort. Lowering your Test C dose to 125 mg/week and adding 12.5 mg Exemestane twice weekly is a smart, conservative move.

That’ll likely bring both your estrogen and blood pressure back in range within a few weeks.

I would say Holding off on the Anavar until things stabilize… I understand there’s no rush, and adding orals while BP is high is asking for trouble. Keep hydration high, reduce sodium a bit, and maybe add some citrus bergamot or telmisartan if your BP stays elevated.

You’re reacting fast, tracking your numbers, and thinking long-term… exactly how TRT+ should be done!!!

I suggest rechecking bloods after 4–6 weeks and adjust from there. You’re on the right path.

Shark

Thanks alot for your input ! Will do a blood test to check if my new dosage is "safe"

Hello.

A little clarification

200mg is NOT a trt dosage...
You have a blood result that proves it, you are way too much above the natural reference value for test (>15) And so necessarily for the E2 too (120mg in real TRT is huge)

So.
A trt is 50-75mg.
A sports trt is no more 150mg (but your e2 and your blood testostérone must be not sky high either)
And a trt should not need to use anti-estrogens. Otherwise it's like entering a cycle zone with just the sides to manage but without the interesting effects of a cycle (you might as well increase the dose of testosterone at this rate and do a real cycle)

Yeah you're right ! Usually I do not react to many pain killers and treatments so I took the bet and started "high" with testo, hoping to be on the side of those who do not aromatize alot. Bet lost.

With that much testo in my body it's considered as a cycle, yeah ! I see it at every workouts when I lift weights that I couldn't even get out of the racks few weeks back lol !

The goal here is to find the good dosage in TRT mode only, reducing to 125mg might be the safe spot. It's different for everyone I know.

As of now, my BP is back to normal, my nipples are OK also, everything is back to normal.

For my age the testo level range is 300 to 800 more or less. My goal with the TRT is to be around 1000 - 1200 and I really hope I can get to this number without aromatizing too much and of course without taking AI.

I'll wait for the next blood tests and work from there. I have different scenarios depending of the next results.

Depending of the results I can still try to pin everyday but as of now I try to avoid this (for comfort reasons only I have to admit).

Once I figured out the TRT dosage that my body accepts without taking AI, I'll think about the next step for my first real cycle (not talking about Anavar). I'll have to look at Primo or Boldenone for sure, to stay away from taking AI pills.
I'll open a new thread in the Cycle section of this forum in few weeks if I solved my TRT dosage issue ^^

Thank you both for your inputs, it helped me alot ! Will post back here my next blood results.