PIP (Post Injection Pain): What It Is, Why It Sucks, and How to Handle It Like a Champ

[SalvatoreCorvus]

Anybody knows what the maximum recommended volumes are for each individual injection site per week?

Honestly, from my perspective, never more than 2ml in the large muscles and never more than 1ml in the small muscles.

And leave at least 3-4 days before re-injecting the same area (I still prefer to let it rest for a week.)

Also listen to your body, if you see that 1ml gives too much pip or inflammation, inject less the next time and the rest elsewhere. Small volumes, injected frequently in the most possible spot

 

[BellaMasculine]

Anybody knows what the maximum recommended volumes are for each individual injection site per week?

its individual.
some dont feel much pain at all, some are ore sensitive.
it also depends on the size of your muscles

 

[Donvitosharkone]

Anybody knows what the maximum recommended volumes are for each individual injection site per week?

I would say that my experience is on CC (intentionally omitting the compound, remember is not the same neither with esters nor with suspension vs oil for example)

- Deltoid 2
- Traps 1
- Bycep 2
- trycep 2
- Lats 4
- ventroglute 5
- Glutes 5
- quad, pec and calves NEVER! (Unnecessary hurts)

 

[Einherjar]

Anybody knows what the maximum recommended volumes are for each individual injection site per week?

It depends on the specific compound you're using, its half-life, and how well your body tolerates different injection volumes. As we mentioned earlier, the injection site also plays an important role.

 

[dr. Doping]

It depends on the specific compound you're using, its half-life, and how well your body tolerates different injection volumes. As we mentioned earlier, the injection site also plays an important role.

The carrier oil (more specifically, its viscosity and the solvents in it) also dictate how fast the injection depot dissipates. Castor oil takes the longest, synthetic oils (which Driada thankfully doesn't use) are the quickest.

 

[Einherjar]

The carrier oil (more specifically, its viscosity and the solvents in it) also dictate how fast the injection depot dissipates. Castor oil takes the longest, synthetic oils (which Driada thankfully doesn't use) are the quickest.

Yes, absolutely — that’s also an important factor. But what I meant is that the compound might not even be oil-based, like in the case of peptide hormones.

 

[fluffyde]

Our carrier oil list:

Boldelad (Boldenone Undecylenate) – Sesame oil
Dihydroboldos (Dihydroboldenone Cypionate) – MCT+ Grape seed oil
Drostargos (Drostanolone Enanthate) – Sesame oil
Mastelad (Drostanolone Propionate) – Sesame oil
Primos (Methenolone Enanthate) – Sesame oil + MCT
Nandecos (Nandrolone Decanoate) – Sesame oil
Nanphenylos (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate) – Sesame oil
Hexos (Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate) – Sesame oil
Sustalad – Sesame oil + MCT
Cypilos (Testosterone Cypionate) – Sesame oil
Testos (Testosterone Enanthate) – Grape seed oil + MCT
Propios (Testosterone Propionate) – Sesame oil
Andriolos (Testosterone Undecanoate) – Sesame oil
Trenacetos (Trenbolone Acetate) – Sesame oil
Trenentos (Trenbolone Enanthate) – Sesame oil
Tremilad (Trenbolone Mix) – Sesame oil
Mentolad (Trestolone acetate) – Sesame oil
Stakos – Sesame oil + MCT
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Thank you for sharing this info. It’s very interesting.

How was the different carrier oils chosen for each compound?
For example. Why was different carrier oils chosen for Test E vs. Test C?

Cypilos (Testosterone Cypionate) – Sesame oil​

Testos (Testosterone Enanthate) – Grape seed oil + MCT​

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

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Thank you for sharing this info. It’s very interesting.

How was the different carrier oils chosen for each compound?
For example. Why was different carrier oils chosen for Test E vs. Test C?

Cypilos (Testosterone Cypionate) – Sesame oil​

Testos (Testosterone Enanthate) – Grape seed oil + MCT​

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Melting rate of raw / temperature-sensitive oils.

Some do not support an oil, therefore two different oils for two different audiences (the half-life of both are pretty similar)

Adding MTC also makes the solution more fluid.

 

[Donvitosharkone]

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Thank you for sharing this info. It’s very interesting.

How was the different carrier oils chosen for each compound?
For example. Why was different carrier oils chosen for Test E vs. Test C?

Cypilos (Testosterone Cypionate) – Sesame oil​

Testos (Testosterone Enanthate) – Grape seed oil + MCT​

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Thanks for your question mate!

For complementing @SalvatoreCorvus answer…

Is not a simple question to answer since this is the MAGIC of the EXPERIENCE of the lab… namely, quality and know-how…

However… as a general rule of thumb is a mix of decisions:

1. Viscosity: “How thick that gear is”, no all raw compounds disolved the same during compound prep, since molecularly they differ in structure, so you choose based on final results (Trial prep and lab testing)

• If it’s too thick, it’s gonna feel like injecting peanut butter. Painful AF.
• Thinner oils (like MCT or EO) = smoother injects, easier to push through a smaller gauge (like 25g).
• Thicker ones (like castor or sesame) = harder to push and might leave a lump.

2. Sterility and Filtering – “Will this oil fill and stay, or move with body’s natural flow?”**

• The oil must be able to handle sterile filtering (0.22 micron) without turning into a nightmare.
• Some oils clog filters or break down with heat, which is a recipe for abscesses or infections.
• Human-grade prep = clean, filtered, bacteriostatic = no ER visits hahaha

3. Solubility – “Can this oil itself dissolve the gear?”

• Not all hormones dissolve well in every oil.
• Some compounds (mostly those NOT in portfolio like Superdrol or Anadrol injectable) need solvents like EO or Guaiacol just to stay in solution.
• If your gear crashes (i.e., crystallizes), is it reconstitutable by domestic heat sources?

4. Allergenicity – “how overall consumer immune system reacts?”

• Some people get reactions from certain oils.
• Cottonseed and peanut oil are no-go for people with allergies (for example)
• MCT is one of the cleanest in terms of low reactivity = often the go-to.

5. Injection Site Tolerance – “Is your delt gonna explode?”

• Some oils cause post-injection pain (PIP) more than others.
• For example, Ethyl oleate (EO) is great for high-concentration gear but can cause mad swelling for sensitive bros

6. Shelf Stability – “How long can this sit in your drawer?”

• Oils need to be stable over time – not go rancid, separate, or oxidize.
• Grapeseed oil goes bad faster than MCT or GSO (Grape Seed Oil) with heat/light. (KEEP YOUR GEAR SAFE )
• Always store cool, dark, tight-sealed. Like @SalvatoreCorvus secrets hahaha

7. Absorption Rate – “How fast does your body takes to completely consume and metabolize it up?”

• Thinner oils usually = quicker absorption.
• Slower oils like sesame or castor can cause lingering soreness or depot buildup.
• Fast in, fast gains? Well, depends too

So, if you choose among all those, then you have the partly know how to select and homebrew you own gear…

Some people thinks is just buy and do… but, well, here are some tricks of the trade

 

[dr. Doping]

Slower oils like sesame or castor can cause lingering soreness or depot buildup.
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Apparently castor oil drastically prolongs the half life of a drug (since the injection depot releases the drug much slower into the system), how comparable is the sesame oil in this regard? A client and friend of mine is going on holidays soon and we plan on administering some testosterone undecanoate (from Driada ofc) just before he leaves, what half life should we assume, since the listed half lives for test U vary greatly?

 

[Donvitosharkone]

Apparently castor oil drastically prolongs the half life of a drug (since the injection depot releases the drug much slower into the system), how comparable is the sesame oil in this regard? A client and friend of mine is going on holidays soon and we plan on administering some testosterone undecanoate (from Driada ofc) just before he leaves, what half life should we assume, since the listed half lives for test U vary greatly?
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That is not dependant only on oil, but in how you own body transport and metabolizes it.

If you eat a chicken breast with olive oil and next day eat KFC

Both have fat, big your could take them differently right? Well, switch your stomach by a complete body absorption system and works the same.

So hard to give any details on that precision without been splitting hairs here

 

[fluffyde]

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Thanks for your question mate!

For complementing @SalvatoreCorvus answer…

Is not a simple question to answer since this is the MAGIC of the EXPERIENCE of the lab… namely, quality and know-how…

However… as a general rule of thumb is a mix of decisions:

1. Viscosity: “How thick that gear is”, no all raw compounds disolved the same during compound prep, since molecularly they differ in structure, so you choose based on final results (Trial prep and lab testing)

• If it’s too thick, it’s gonna feel like injecting peanut butter. Painful AF.
• Thinner oils (like MCT or EO) = smoother injects, easier to push through a smaller gauge (like 25g).
• Thicker ones (like castor or sesame) = harder to push and might leave a lump.

2. Sterility and Filtering – “Will this oil fill and stay, or move with body’s natural flow?”**

• The oil must be able to handle sterile filtering (0.22 micron) without turning into a nightmare.
• Some oils clog filters or break down with heat, which is a recipe for abscesses or infections.
• Human-grade prep = clean, filtered, bacteriostatic = no ER visits hahaha

3. Solubility – “Can this oil itself dissolve the gear?”

• Not all hormones dissolve well in every oil.
• Some compounds (mostly those NOT in portfolio like Superdrol or Anadrol injectable) need solvents like EO or Guaiacol just to stay in solution.
• If your gear crashes (i.e., crystallizes), is it reconstitutable by domestic heat sources?

4. Allergenicity – “how overall consumer immune system reacts?”

• Some people get reactions from certain oils.
• Cottonseed and peanut oil are no-go for people with allergies (for example)
• MCT is one of the cleanest in terms of low reactivity = often the go-to.

5. Injection Site Tolerance – “Is your delt gonna explode?”

• Some oils cause post-injection pain (PIP) more than others.
• For example, Ethyl oleate (EO) is great for high-concentration gear but can cause mad swelling for sensitive bros

6. Shelf Stability – “How long can this sit in your drawer?”

• Oils need to be stable over time – not go rancid, separate, or oxidize.
• Grapeseed oil goes bad faster than MCT or GSO (Grape Seed Oil) with heat/light. (KEEP YOUR GEAR SAFE )
• Always store cool, dark, tight-sealed. Like @SalvatoreCorvus secrets hahaha

7. Absorption Rate – “How fast does your body takes to completely consume and metabolize it up?”

• Thinner oils usually = quicker absorption.
• Slower oils like sesame or castor can cause lingering soreness or depot buildup.
• Fast in, fast gains? Well, depends too

So, if you choose among all those, then you have the partly know how to select and homebrew you own gear…

Some people thinks is just buy and do… but, well, here are some tricks of the trade
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Thank you for an absolutely great and deep answer.

How do you guys store the opened vials besides keeping them in a dark tempered environment?
Ive seen a handy small plastic case padded with foam holding 2-4 vials. But i have not been able to find the one i saw..

 

[SalvatoreCorvus]

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Thank you for an absolutely great and deep answer.

How do you guys store the opened vials besides keeping them in a dark tempered environment?
Ive seen a handy small plastic case padded with foam holding 2-4 vials. But i have not been able to find the one i saw..
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On Amazon you might be able to find some boxes that can contain essential oils.

Otherwise, keep it simple. In a Tupperware, in a cupboard or wherever you want . Not in the fridge, not in the oven and everything will be fine.