Expert Answered Tamoxifen and Enclomiphene

[Silva]

Hello all!
I have been consistently training for 2 years now with good lean mass gains, im 95kg 1,76m height , im around 25% body fat for many years but i plan to get a bit leaner now, im 35, i did blood tests and all is in normal values.
So im doing my first cycle of testo 250 + primo 300 + HGH 3iu/day, im also adding 1000iu of HCG after a couple weeks in , It is presented as a part of this cycle to take nolvados(tamoxifen) and enclomilad(enclomiphene) 1 or 2 tabs a day, i know and understand already what their effect on the body. This is also something to take on PCT and this i understand why also.
I could find alot of videos on this 2 but about PCT, nothing related to during cycle.

My question is , should i really take those 2 meds during cycle from the beggining as a preventive measure ? or why should i take them?

Thank you very mutch in advance!

 

[Donvitosharkone]

Hello all!
I have been consistently training for 2 years now with good lean mass gains, im 95kg 1,76m height , im around 25% body fat for many years but i plan to get a bit leaner now, im 35, i did blood tests and all is in normal values.
So im doing my first cycle of testo 250 + primo 300 + HGH 3iu/day, im also adding 1000iu of HCG after a couple weeks in , It is presented as a part of this cycle to take nolvados(tamoxifen) and enclomilad(enclomiphene) 1 or 2 tabs a day, i know and understand already what their effect on the body. This is also something to take on PCT and this i understand why also.
I could find alot of videos on this 2 but about PCT, nothing related to during cycle.

My question is , should i really take those 2 meds during cycle from the beggining as a preventive measure ? or why should i take them?

Thank you very mutch in advance!

Welcome, Silva!

First, congratulations on your progress. Two years of consistent training is a good start, but at 95 kg and around 25% body fat, I’d personally focus on getting leaner before considering a cycle.

Now, regarding your question: No, I wouldn’t automatically take Nolvadex and enclomiphene during a cycle as a preventive measure (but is a really common question)

Both are SERMs, but they don’t work like aromatase inhibitors. They don’t directly lower estrogen levels, and taking them together doesn’t guarantee protection against side effects or prevent testosterone suppression.

Enclomiphene is generally used to stimulate your natural testosterone production, which becomes a different situation when you’re already introducing external testosterone.

Tamoxifen has specific medical uses, including certain cases of gynecomastia, but that doesn’t mean everyone needs it from day one.

My bigger concern is that you’re introducing testosterone, Primo, HGH, HCG and potentially two SERMs on your very first cycle. That’s a lot of variables for someone still learning how his body responds.

Honestly. I would reconsider the cycle for now, work on reducing body fat, and review your bloodwork with a qualified doctor before adding anything.

One question: Who designed this protocol, and what exactly are you trying to achieve over the next six months? We can help if needed! @Sam Bjorn is a really good expert, in case you want to have a second opinion too

From my perspective, I would rather help you build a solid foundation than see you spend months managing unnecessary complications.

Shark

 

[Sam Bjorn]

Hello all!
I have been consistently training for 2 years now with good lean mass gains, im 95kg 1,76m height , im around 25% body fat for many years but i plan to get a bit leaner now, im 35, i did blood tests and all is in normal values.
So im doing my first cycle of testo 250 + primo 300 + HGH 3iu/day, im also adding 1000iu of HCG after a couple weeks in , It is presented as a part of this cycle to take nolvados(tamoxifen) and enclomilad(enclomiphene) 1 or 2 tabs a day, i know and understand already what their effect on the body. This is also something to take on PCT and this i understand why also.
I could find alot of videos on this 2 but about PCT, nothing related to during cycle.

My question is , should i really take those 2 meds during cycle from the beggining as a preventive measure ? or why should i take them?

Thank you very mutch in advance!

Overall, using enclomiphene and Nolvadex together, especially during the cycle, looks quite strange regardless of the context. Maybe something got mixed up here?

Have you already started your cycle, or are you only planning it? I completely agree with @Donvitosharkone. It would be worth reconsidering the cycle a bit, at least the dosages, and starting lower. 300 mg of Primo could push your estradiol very close to zero. I would keep Primo at 100 mg.

Please send a photo of your current physique and your blood test results. That will help us.

 

[Silva]

Thank you very mutch for your reply i really apreciate and understand what you mean.
Concerning to those 2 meds its my bad!! i misunderstood! those 2 meds are for PCT. Sorry about this.

Bundles - Beginner Clean Bulk (Primos) this is the cycle in dryada. And it talks about 250 test 300 primo per week, is it wrong ?
Im trying to achive some lean mass while also lose some fat .
I just started it one week ago.

In this case what should be the the ratio testo - primo? , ive read and saw some videos online where people say that primo should always be a little bit higher then testo, others a 1:1 ratio is good , others say 1.5testo:1 primo....i guess it depends on the individual.

I was believing 300 was ok because its what says in the cycle , being the purpose to get some lean mass and burn some fat , wich is what i want.

Anyways i will trust what you said and lower the primobolan the next shots and in 1 mounth i will do blood tests again and check on that estradiol!